Sade : 0:16

Welcome to GDIA podcast. I am so excited to introduce you to my amazing guest. So go ahead and introduce yourself and let us know a little bit about you.

Natalie: 0:25

Hi, thank you for having me. My name, natalie Lamb, and I am a life relationship grief coach, all those things that kind of intersect into our lives, right. Almost 25 years now, or maybe 25 years, Let me, if I go back in numbers, right, I'm a new author as well, so that's exciting, you know. Just add a little something to your repertoire two books published right now for a series of six books there'll be in full, plus a journal, and so I'm a wife, mom, all of those other things that add to your life more beautifully. But you know what else you want to know?

Sade : 1:11

Honestly, you gave us a good amount right there. I love that already. So I would love to just kind of get to know like your beginning journey of getting to know God, and just how did that look?

Natalie: 1:25

Ah, so the beginning journey. So my parents had a church, so I've had a church and my father recently passed, so it was 42 years that he was a pastor. So that's starting when I'm like seven years old. So that's my introduction, right, born and raised in the church, and that's really. You know how it all begins, right, you get that introduction, you learn of God.

Natalie: 1:54

My own personal relationship with God probably really developed more after my mom passed away. This was 22 years ago. Coming up, may 12th will be 22 years that she's been gone. And that was my personal journey of being very angry with God, being very disappointed in his decision that it was her time to go, not trusting then his sovereignty, feeling like he was cruel, and that though it was a blessing for her that he was aware of the torment, that it would be for me right. And you know these are conversations we don't have in Christianity often. We always are God blessed and he knows best, and amen and hallelujah.

Natalie: 2:50

And for me that did not work, right. I'm sitting here, I'm like, what am I supposed to do next? I'm lost, right. First and foremost, my heart is destroyed. It was a sudden death, so it was no prep for it at all. And I'm looking around and I remember if I could just be completely vulnerable with you guys the day I got the phone call that my mother had had a heart attack and my dad had called. And I'm getting ready Mind you, it is a Sunday morning, mother's Day, of course plans getting everything together.

Natalie: 3:27

My daughter was like 18 months. We had little matching outfits and all this stuff and I remember the call and I'm like, oh my God, I fall on my knees and I'm like God, do not take her, like this is not going to be good for me, do not do it right. And so I get to the hospital. I'm like an hour away. So it's that drive right Of agony, of despair, of trying to breathe and trying to be positive and have faith that he will honor the prayer that I just prayed. And I get there. And I could tell when I get there that, oh my God, it's happened right. And let me do this without breaking down. I get out the car and my dad comes up to the car and I would fall on my knees and I say, god, I can't believe you did this right. Now, my dad, old school preacher, do not say that, do not say that.

Natalie: 4:19

And I'm like, oh you know, so the months that go on from that, right, is you by yourself in this place of trying to figure out if all these church folk kind of patting you on the back and like you know she's in a better place, it's going to be okay and I can help it together maybe for maybe a couple of months? Look, I'm trying to do that, right, coming in, trying to still believe. Right, it's tough because, like, I've always sat next to my mom for like the whole time we really had the church pretty much, so I've always sit next to her. So it's like, coming in and she's not there, right, and I'm sitting there and it's like I can't hear anything you're saying. All I'm thinking about is there's an empty space here and nobody's paying attention to things.

Natalie: 5:13

Right, because you know, like we're used to just going on, we're used to picking it up, carrying it on and acting like we're all good with God. Right, you can't question God. You know, I've told that all my life. You're not supposed to say certain things to him. Right, you're never supposed to get angry with God. Like, how dare you do that? So I'm like either I'm really hellish or something else is going on, right, because I am angry, I am disappointed, I am questioning. Angry, I am disappointed, I am questioning, I am screaming, I am doing everything that goes against what I've been taught.

Natalie: 5:52

Right, and I got to a point where just a breaking point, and I said this is us, you know, and I don't even know if you real anymore Right, like I'm lost, and you're going to have to step up and be the God that everybody says you are. You're the mother to the motherless and the father to the fatherless and all those things we like to quote. Right, you're going to have to be that, but it's so hard for me to believe. And I'm literally talking to him like this. Right, I threw every etiquette off the door door. I said I don't know how you're gonna do that, though. How are you gonna be her embrace? How will you be her smell? How will you be her soft talk? How will you be the sport when I'm trying to do things and she may be the only one in the room cheering me on? Tell me you up there, how are you gonna do that?

Natalie: 6:44

Now, show me, right, and I mean, I'm telling you I had no problem confessing this. I had probably like a less of a piggy's worth of faith. It had been shot. I'm telling you. I'm just going to tell you and I said, okay, we're going to do this. I'm going to strip everything that I think I know about Every doctrine. I've been taught Everything that I believe I know about Every doctrine. I've been taught everything that I believe about you and me, and you are gonna do this together. So if you want me, you will have to show me who you are and that you were really real right.

Natalie: 7:15

And it was this place of walking through the scripture, going back to stuff that I had been taught. Is this true? Right, because you know, if you're raised in church, you like borrow your parents' God. Right, it's yours. You went to Sunday school, you got the lessons, but you really are borrowing your parents' God until you have that. You know, come to Jesus moment, and it's you and him standing at this threshold. And not to say that you didn't experience him before, right. Not to say that I didn't know he was real, not to say that he didn't save my soul, like, all of that stuff is real, right.

Natalie: 7:55

But the personal, intimate relationship began through me after that and so I started going through all of the scriptures. I mean, I dissected it word by word. I went through. I mean, I took myself to school, right, we're going to figure this out. If this is what it is, then, oh, my goodness, this is not what people were saying, like it was supposed to work. You were love. I mean, mean, you are all these things and I'm sitting here saying, if you love me, though me, forget my mother. But if you love me, you would not have taken her, because you know the devastation it would do to me. Did I not matter? You know? And it was that rare. It was birthed. It was step by step, it was day by day, it was month by month. It's 22 years later, but I was able to through the struggle, not hide it. I wasn't one that went for me, right.

Natalie: 9:04

Since I got out of college, my mother and father allowed me to implement so many programs parenting classes, premarital courses, personal development classes, marriage class, like all of this. I'm always taught, right. So it was like not an odd thing, and I'm a coach and a teacher. That comes from. I'm learning, but I'm learning with you, right, like I'm just two steps ahead of you. I haven't got the information first and as I dissect it, I'm giving it to you. But we really kind of journeying together. So on the journey I just took people with me. I'm like God, this is where I am. If y'all want to come and hear what I'm learning, come along and we can do this together. So I like fleshed it out out loud, right, I never hid my struggle. I never hid my lack of faith.

Natalie: 9:58

It was this one book that I taught called Relational Mass, and the author gosh his name is skipping me right now, but if it comes to me I'm going to say it out loud because I like to give people credit. But the name is Relational Mass, but in it his first two tenets was I don't trust that. And I said, wow, because, mind you, I found this book and this is back in the day, okay, like when you would get flyers for books, and it was a little I mean a little tiny advertisement for this book, and I said that sounds interesting. So I bought the book for myself, right, and I said this feels so harsh and I put the book down for like three months. I said I shall not read this, because how dare you say that to a person who was born and raised and living for the Lord oh my gosh, a person who was born and raised and living for the Lord, oh my gosh.

Natalie: 10:48

And then I picked it back up and that book opened me up in a way, because it made me expose myself to myself. Right, I said you know what? I don't really trust you Because if I really trust you we wouldn't be on the journey we're on right now. I would have been like oh, god is sorry, he knows all things, he's a beautiful thing. I don't feel that way.

Natalie: 11:04

And then I realized even with scriptures there were parts that I did not believe. We don't even have the opportunity to say that out loud. I read this verse and I'm not able to say I don't believe that, or it's hard to fathom. Are you sure this is what is really real? We don't give ourselves that space for God to even teach me about what it is and why it's real. Right, yeah, that's a lot. I don't believe this is crazy stuff, right. And so I read it and I say the most, you know, I've learned this stuff. And I said, okay, we can walk through this, we can walk through this, god, let's do this right. And so after I read it kind of digested. Then I started, started teaching it. I've been teaching one of my favorite classes. I've been teaching that for probably 20 years, right?

Natalie: 11:49

And it's like, oh, I truly believe that not until we're able to meet ourselves in this very undefended state, right, the state where I can be wrong, that I can be me, that I can be unfaithful, that I can be unfaithful, that I can be cold and bitter and untrue and sinful and have my traumas and have my uncertainties, that I can never really meet God. Because if he requires truth in the inward part, if he says to worship me, you must worship me in spirit and in truth. And you look at that verse in truth, it is subjective truth. It's not like the truth, the scriptures that he's speaking there he's talking about the truth is new. So you, for me to worship you, I have to worship you in the fullness of my truth. Oh, my goodness. Well, what is that?

Natalie: 12:40

God, people, let's come on. Do you know your truth, like that truth that you don't want nobody else to know, that truth that you don't want nobody else to know, that truth that you don't even want God to see? Right, because you know we come to God, we be praying lies and we be testifying lies and we say things are just not true. We sing lies and we think that God is not paying attention. We think we can fool him somehow. I mean, you know, like we know we can't, but a part of us hopes we can fool him somehow. I mean, you know, like we know we can, but a part of us hopes we can.

Natalie: 13:07

Because until I deal with my fear of not being loved for just who I am, I can never receive this unconditional love that he wants to bestow on me. True, right? So how many of us deal with the love question? We scream love, we say God is love, we say love one another. But what is your definition of love? Because that definition dictates how I respond to God, how I think God is responding to me, and then how I respond to others. Right, if scripture is true, and it is, that all of the commands lead on these two to love God and to love others.

Sade : 13:44

What a pickle we're in. So true, yeah, that leads me to this question for you. So I'm listening to, like your, the way that you think and the way that you look at God and look at yourself and reflect on things. So that leads me to wanting to understand what gave you the, I guess, led you to just being that way in general, because I know at times, you know, when we have hardships, that is really hard to get to this place, that type of thinking.

Sade : 14:13

So how did you develop that, especially dealing with you know, your mother. You lost your mother in a way that you didn't expect. That's the hardest, I feel like. Kind of the hardest stuff sometimes is to get the one that is. You know, it's not someone that was sick, it was something just out of nowhere. So it hits harder. So how did you get to this type of mindset of looking at God and having that relationship with him in that way, viewing him in that way, like what got you there? Because I'm like, I'm listening, I'm like how did she get to this point? From there to here? It's like two different people, how.

Natalie: 14:51

Well, you know what it's, the journey of it, right. So since I was probably 13, 14, I've always been very intrigued about how people work, how we think, how we operate, why we do what we do, right. So it was always an intriguing thing and I figured I might as well be my best person to figure out, right? So I started reading, like psychology books and authors like 15, right. I also had this knack that you know, who knew that it would develop into this? But my sisters are older than me, so all their friends, for some reason they would come and share all their life stories with me, right. And even when my sisters weren't home, they would come just to see me. We would talk it up, I would say something. They thought it was great. Do I really know what I'm talking about? I don't know. At 15, I didn't really know what I was talking about, right. But it worked. It like felt good. People worked. It like felt good. People walked away feeling intrigued, right. And so from there, I've always just had this notion that we could be better, that there's something we're missing. And you know, you grow up as a pastor's child. You see so much. You see the intricacies of people, you see the heartache of people, you see the evil and the horribleness of people as well, right, and so I've always been an observer, just sitting back and watching and seeing and trying to figure it out. Like why are we like this as humans? Like how did we get here? So with that it just grew into me, then, of course, going to college, getting my degree in sociology and family life, and then started teaching.

Natalie: 16:23

You know, immediately when I got out parenting classes and personal development classes and all that, and my greatest thing that I held to was that I would never be a hypocrite, don't even know where I came from, I was like I will not be telling other people how to get their lives together and mine is falling apart. Like I would not be that right. I would shut up and sit down before I did any of that. So that was really where I was moved. Sit down before I did any of that. So that was really where I was moved right. I had no inclination through college really probably almost up until after my mother passed that I would really delve into God and teaching scriptures. I really was, even when I taught at the church. Of course he was incorporated into it, but like teaching the word and doing all that, I never thought I would be doing that Cause I'm like, uh, like that's, that's what my daddy does. I'm not interested in that, right, like that part of life I'm not. That's not me. You know what I mean. I can give you this other aspect, so I've honed in on that other aspect.

Natalie: 17:18

But as I started, I probably growing, maturing, all of those things that come, and then when these tragedies hit, you're left with this how does God fit into the tragedy? We act like they're separate from us but they are a part of us, right? And so my husband and I have been together since I was 16, okay, and his sister passed away when she was four. I was like, maybe 17. Then this world is something else. Because, like, how does that fit into an equation that this is a good life when you can take a four-year-old right? And I know, not take, but you know what I'm saying Like ultimately, life is definitely great. So I was like, oh, how did that affect me? And then just watching other things happen to people, right, tragedies happen to people.

Natalie: 18:05

I remember when my mother-in-law got cancer and we were probably married maybe three years together eight at that time and I remember driving in the car and saying why am I praying? Because you're going to do what you want to do, right. And I said I mean you already know what I want. I mean you know I want you to heal her. But it seems as if I'm looking at everything. You do what you want to do, so what's the point of prayer? Right Now? I carry that with me.

Natalie: 18:34

I didn't really share that part because I was like I'm going to tell that to you. But it really is. I'm going to tell that to you, right, I'm really going to go to hell. But you know, it was like geez, that was part of what I carried too, right, this talking to God is for what? What is to be gained from it? When you are omniscient, when you are still the decider of all things and it seems, good or bad, your people or not your people, you still make things happen as you will, right?

Natalie: 19:03

So when I get to this crossroads with losing my mom, it was when everything kind of rushed together and it's like I'm praying for what? You seem to be a little jaded. I mean I'm trying to figure you out the word. I'm not believing. I don't trust you, like I'm a hot mess, right, like what's going to happen to me was I have to find you. But it was such a beauty, right, it was a glorious pain, as I put it, to be able to see, as I'm challenging God, right, and I'm telling him how he's inadequate to a degree, and all of this stuff, he graciously points it back to me and says but what about you, right? And okay, sir, if you want to do this, let's do this.

Natalie: 19:46

I like a little challenge, and it was just this unraveling that, because maybe I came from not being afraid to challenge myself, not afraid to look at myself, right, not afraid to strip myself bare, trying on new perceptions, trying on new ways of thinking, because I wasn't afraid of that when me and God got into this space. I wasn't afraid of his challenge either. I was intrigued by it, right, it was more a curiosity that kept driving me to say where could this go and what could we become together? Because this I don't know about. But let me tell you it was frightening. Frightening because I've never seen anybody do it, never seen anybody walk with that much wrongness. And maybe they did, I'm sure they did, but I'm talking about out loud, right, I'm saying, ok, it's OK to do this, right.

Natalie: 20:36

And then I fall in love with the Job story and how he challenged God, right, and how he went back and forth and how he had to say, but why? And if this was what my life was going to become, why did you even let me be born? Like I'm trying to figure it out, right, and Job's day was like but I'm a good man, I've done what you've asked me to do. You see my greatness right, and I've always heard that story from this position of you know. Then God came down you know the last few, you know chapters telling him this. But God graciously said no, listen, I'm answering him.

Natalie: 21:15

He asked me a question. I'm giving him my answer, and my answer is do you know who I am? Do you get what I'm holding together every day? Do you see how I keep the sun in the sky and the moon at night, and the ocean only goes so far, and the mountains are here and the birds know how to feed their young, and do you understand who I am? So when you question me about your life, do you think I have not the capacity to take care of your life too, if I can do all of this.

Natalie: 21:51

See, I saw it then as a love letter. I said, oh, look at this love he is throwing all on. Job, like I want to hear that. I stepped into the place. Let us have this conversation. Tell me about who you are, break it down to me. Show me this, because that's amazing that you cared enough about his anguish and his questioning that you weren't angry, that he questioned you, that it was actually. Come sit down, honey. Let me tell you about who I am.

Natalie: 22:21

And then look at Job's response. He says I used to and I'm going to paraphrase I used to hear about who this God is. Now I know him. Now you know him. What? Oh, I want to know you like that, because if you can show yourself to all these people, I'm standing in line saying I want to see you, I want to know you, I want your power, don't want a secondhand story. I don't want to borrow my parents' God anymore. I don't want a secondhand story. I don't want to borrow my parents' body. I don't want to hear the traditions of what other people did. I want to be able to one day stand and give somebody what I know about who God is. Wow.

Sade : 22:58

I'm speechless, okay, and that's rare, oh my gosh. Okay. So that led me to this question For someone that is potentially in your same shoes, where you were. You know, questioning like what does this mean? What is even prayer? You know, why am I doing these things that everyone is telling me to do, versus understanding the meaning behind it and why they even need it and trying to, like, find that relationship with God? You know, what advice would you give them?

Natalie: 23:34

I give them to open themselves up, to really let God speak to them. You got to be willing to talk, but you also got to be willing to listen, right. And sometimes we think that God is not speaking to everyone. Well, any good father talks to his children, right? Any good husband speaks to his bride. He says he wants to be our friend. So that means I get to have a conversation with God, which you have to learn is the voice of God, and God's voice is different for everybody.

Natalie: 24:04

I had to tune in and learn when God was speaking, when Satan was speaking and when I was speaking, because oftentimes they can conflate, right, I can want God to be saying something and I'm like oh, god said.

Natalie: 24:19

And he like girl, you know, that was you, you know, that was you Right.

Natalie: 24:24

And then there's times when I'm arguing and I realize and this came to me, this was years ago I said I'm sitting here having a conversation with Satan, when I think I'm talking to myself because he's sitting here feeding me all of this stuff, right, he's giving me fear, he's giving me doubt, he's telling me what you think you know, you don't know, and I'm sitting here listening to him.

Natalie: 24:47

But I think I'm communing with myself, right, because I do talk to myself. And I said, oh my Lord, give me discernment to know when it is me just rationally with myself and processing, versus Satan coming in and using my voice to speak to me and to cast doubt about you. Right, and then make your voice so loud to me that I never have to second guess if it's you or if it's me. So now, when I feel like I hear God speaking to me, you know it's the quietness of the spirit, it's, you know, this wisdom and understanding that he imparts to us. I always say can you say it to us? Because the first time I'm a little unsure. I'm not sure if it was really you that was talking. So if you could be so kind, Amen to that.

Natalie: 25:33

And just repeat yourself again. Oh my gosh, I may not know it the first time, but I don't trust myself. So if you could be so kind just to repeat yourself a couple of times. I'm not going to be mad at you for helping me out with this right.

Natalie: 25:47

What I learned is that God interacts with us, with our personality, and we sometimes want God to be this one way figure and not very personal. And I have found him to be very personal. So, like the way he speaks to me, he probably would never speak to you that way, right? I mean, when I first started the journey, I clearly heard him tell me to shut up. I knew it wasn't me because I was on a full rant. Okay, I think I'm telling you.

Natalie: 26:14

I'm driving home for my five siblings after my mom passed and I'm driving home about an hour away and I'm going off right, and I heard him say shut up, you're saying too much. And I said, oh, let me shut up because I didn't cross the line. But I was so grateful for that because it taught me he hears me and he will check me when I need to be checked, because I'm the person that needs to be checked. Right, I'm a person that can sometimes go too far, I can say too many things, I can maybe get too comfortable. So I always say to him you know, I mean no disrespect, I mean like you're so high up for me but I don't know any other way to talk so I can talk to you like this, because I figure you want it like this, because this is who you made me.

Natalie: 26:59

And I realized that who he made me, he made me. So I'm trying to find the one he made, the one he made, and that's why you have to do the work of stripping yourself down from your childhood socialization, your sex socialization, how we're supposed to be, how we're not supposed to be, all of the parameters that got put on us from childhood up to say, like, who am I? Like this, I am made in the image of the creator. He looked and he knew and he formed me and he knew who I would be and he approved. So I should get back to the one he approves of and he likes me. Like this, right, because I'm in line with who he created me to be.

Natalie: 27:42

And it does not fit for everybody, right? And some people will disapprove of who you are authentically, but as long as me and God are good and he checks my motives all the time, right, because I go often you don't know how often I repent. Repentance is like something I just carry around with me. I'm like Lord. I know I shouldn't have said that, forgive me, I thought it too. Yeah, I'm wrong. I'm like we're so good because I don't have to fake for him. And when I learned I didn't have to fake for him, that he would guide me, didn't he say that I would lead and guide you, like you think he's gonna let me fall in the ditch? No, he's gonna say girl, get it together, stop it, don't go there going out of the way.

Sade : 28:26

Stop saying that check your attitude issue and then he'll say, no, it's them so I would love to know, because I do feel like through everything that you went through, your faith grew, your relationship grew. So I would like to know, like, how do you keep that going? Because sometimes we'll grow the faith we we'll get closer with God, and then it's like a yo-yo effect It'll go up, it'll go down, it'll decrease, we'll have doubts. So how do you keep that going?

Natalie: 28:57

Yeah, so through the journey I mean, it was up and down, right there's times when I still get a little shaky, but never to where I was. So it is this constant growing that happens. I don't know if we, as people of God, ever get to where we never had an ounce of doubt. If we get to where we never fall to or we're never afraid or we're never anxious. I mean, I think it's why that stuff is in the scriptures is because it's like this is the human condition. I need you not to do it right, which the simple way of correcting it is simply, you know, you give it back to God, right? In essence, that's what repentance is Like I'm just giving you this back and then you're going to give me you right, you're going to change this thing into what you need it to be. But it's just a journey of that, and I think when you're able to be honest about this, situation has shaken me, and I know who you are right, like part of me knows is ridiculous. I'm feeling this, however. I'm feeling it. So, since I'm feeling this, however, I'm feeling it. So, since I'm feeling it, I have to own that and honor that so that you can add even more. You know, like, so we start with a baseline of zero, where I was, and then it was just this constant increase of faith that he's given me. And it's still a constant increase, right, because life never stops. It's always throwing rocks, sometimes rocks, bullets and everything else. And it's like when do you step back? Right, like my father passed three years ago, probably just three years of my life, right, never been through the amount of crazy that I've been through, amount of mean and evil and indespicableness that I've had to face. And a part of me is like but you know how to do this, right, let's get back to that. So you go back to it. You're like, let me do this again. You know how to get back to God. You know how to work the work again. You know how to lay yourself bare before him again. And so it's this constant laying bare. For me, that's the answer. Like, like how you keep the faith growing? You just keep laying yourself there. You just keep going to him in the wrongness of who you are and trust that he will give you what you need. Right, like he gives everybody a measure of faith. All our faith is not going to look the same, so I just need the faith that he wants me to have. So, in me coming to you saying I done lost it again, or it's a little shaky, or I'm questioning you again, then I have to trust he'll give me a little gentle nudge and say, here, let me give you more of me In this. What did you learn about me? Right?

Natalie: 31:42

The scripture of, I want to say Romans 8 and something I'm not good with always remembering the numbers. It is in Romans 8, and something I'm not good with always remembering the numbers. It is in Romans, though, where it says all these work together, right, for the good of them that love God and are called according to his purpose. I struggled with that verse for years Because I said, no, this don't the math, ain't math right, like this, math is not math. This is not working together for my good.

Natalie: 32:07

I know too much, see too many stories, and I think if my life is just my own story, maybe things wouldn't be. But because I've done what I've done for 25 years and I've heard the worst of the worst that humans can do to people, right, and I've seen the ravages that it's done to people and how it has made people not be able to grasp God. I'm like how is that working for their good, right? And so in the toilet and going back, reading, reading, reading, saying God, you got to make this make sense to me, you know. And that doesn't feel like comfort, you know, people throw that at you. I'm not feeling comfort from that. I know you may, but that's not comforting me. And so I went in there and I really was able to dissect it and he gave me more and more and more.

Natalie: 32:50

And the realization is that what that verse really is saying is that everything works together for the good of them and his good, and his good is that I look like him. So, no matter what happens to you, no matter what comes, if you stay with me, I'm going to make you look like me because you're called according to my purpose, because you love me, and so, at the end, the goal for every child of God is to look like God, and that's why I can tell you all things work together for the good of them that love God, because I'm going to make you look like me. It was my road easy, did I not have troubles? Did I not have all the things that we cry and swivel about and scream like where is God?

Natalie: 33:42

Have we looked at the people of the Bible who had the good life? I mean, you see over and over and over again, the people of God being pelted, the and over and over again. The people of God being pelted, the people of God being punished, the people of God being persecuted, the people of God being ravished and poor and fighting. And he is not somebody that, because I say in Jesus' name, at the end I get all of this stuff. He never promised us that and see, that was part of the work.

Natalie: 34:08

I went back and said well, what did you promise? Because I'm hearing promises and that ain't coming true, because and he was like, because I didn't say that, I didn't promise you that, go read my stuff. Have you looked at what blessed is? Have we really took in the beatitude that we all learned in Sunday school? It's the ones that are persecuted. He says counted joy, counting joy. Blessed are the poor, blessed are the merciful. This is blessed. That don't go up with 24, 2024 translation of blessed. So either I'm going to believe these scriptures and that's going to be my foundation, or I'm going to get tossed by every wave of doctrine, by every philosophy of man and I chose the scripture to where I got to stand, so that when things don't go the way I hope my foundation of God it don't move, because I know him, the God of the scriptures, not the God of everybody's chatter.

Sade : 35:03

Amen. Yes, because that constantly changes with everyone else, but with the scripture and the Bible, that never changes. Oh, I love that. Oh goodness, that gave me chills. Almost I was like, oh yes, I agree. So I want to thank you so much for coming on here with me because, oh, like I said, your mind, the way that you view God, is just beautiful and, honestly, I learned a lot from you and I love having guests on that. I can learn and improve myself and my walk with God. So thank you so much for sharing everything, because it's definitely going to make a difference. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. Well, that's it. I hope that you enjoyed every second of that episode, because I definitely did so. To make sure that you don't miss out on any new episodes, click like, follow or subscribe so that you don't miss out on anything, and I will be back again next week. Bye, y'all.